I know several lifters in Gauteng under very well known Gauteng coaches who encourage their lifters to use dope.
You guys are a bunch of frikken hypocrites who treat the lifter that gets caught like a total outcast.
GAUTENG GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER
I don’t agree with the use of drugs in any sport but no matter what, there will always be people who are desperate enough to use drugs. It’s something I take very seriously, I feel cheated and I am offended every time a lifter gets busted, simply because I train my ass off. But really to go and accuse and insult, couches and lifters like that, it’s not a solution unless you’re two years old. You’re not “rattling any one’s cage”, you’re just pissing people off !!!
Rather make a suggestion to help the IPF with the problem e.g. (2 year affiliation periods with random drug testing and if a lifter gets caught he/she must pay a fine R20000 to R50000 depending on what they’ve used plus a 1 to 2 year ban, failure to pay the fine automatically gets the lifter banned for life or until that fine is paid. The IPF can then use the money as prize money or to reduce the cost for S.A. teams to compete overseas, Amen to that). I feel the IPF should make some money of these guys. If however you are going to make accusations, make sure you can prove it and make sure you mention you’re name so that you can actually be taken seriously.
Let me just say that Rodney has always been against drug use and especially so for his own lifters. Just think about it- why would he risk his guys getting busted? Would they still train with him? No. He would therefore lose his client and out of pocket. I don't see any of his guys on that list btw. And even if they were really good at getting away with drug use a least a few guys should have busted. Same goes for Andrew's guys. Also both his the brother's reps would be in the trash if his lifters were using and were busted. Perhaps if Rodney's guys do bomb out it is because they are trying to compete against other guys who are using and thus they become overly competitive. Accusing Rodeny is just plain BS!!! He is really a good hearted man who tries his best for his lifters.
Anonymous, if you had balls you would leave your name and not hide behind anonymity. Be that as it may, I will do my utmost to get Gauteng's house in order, with you help. Phone me anonymously and in confidence on 082-579-6776 and give me information which I can act on.
Typical! What is the issue here? balls or drugs? I agree with anonymous, almost all the big wig officials in SAPF are former steroid users/dealers themselves. Nowadays they are ridiculling lifters who test positive, its a joke. What programmes have been put in place to educate lifters on lifting drug free?
Ranting and raving on the website might serve to let off a little steam but it's not going to achieve anything constructive. Come out of hiding and call me.
WHo the hell Is Mark in Any case???
MARK WHO?????
I doubt if Mark ever acheived anything, Is Mark one of the Idiots That Pays Rodney Thousands of Rands to Bomb at a Comp like the rest of the Gauteng Dopers
Yes, you did call, anonymously (nothing wrong with that), hurled abuse and hung up. That's not quite the conversation I had in mind when I asked you to call me because we achieved nothing. Please try again. I really don't mind being a sounding board for your frustrations as long as we can get somewhere. No, I have never doped in my life, have never even been tempted to. I am over 40 and battle with injury and slow recovery, work stress and disturbed sleep. I am a prime candidate for a little synthetic help but it's out of the question; I am not interested. I am quite willing, as I have even said to Robert Wilks at World Bench Champs when I confronted him for targetting South Africans, to submit myself for urine and blood tests to prove that I am clean and to publish these publically, provided that he he publishes his apology in the same public forum. Robert declined but I will see him at World Games in Taipei later this year and we will have a chat. Picking up on your thread of running training courses on the amazing new concept of drug-free lifting (sort of an "Anabolics Anonymous" or the Betty Ford Powerlifting Clinic for reformed addicts), this is exactly the sort of constructive and proactive development which the IPF so badly wants to see RSA implementing locally. Robert would be thrilled and I would be proud to be the bearer of such news, provided that Alan and Neville don't beat me to it. Call me again and let's try to keep it clean (no pun intended).
Well Mark if it took a call and a lot of abusive language to get you to reply on this topic then my abusive call did bring the topic back to this website. I choose to remain anonomous and I do have many facts in order, I am a Gauteng Powerlifter and have been around the block and I have walked gravel roads barefoot on many occasions, i have my facts in order and all my ducks in a row, unfortunately I am willing to spill the beans in the open as this site allows an open forum, I unfortunately or fortunately know several guys out there who have entered this sport with one thing in mind and that is to make it to the highest level and they are tricked into beleiving they can do it clean but I wanna see which 18 year old boy can squat a 335 clean but unfortunately i know the true story, a dad is hiding his son on a farm and the doping officials will not get to him even if they tried because the boy is so damn well hid away, then there is the guys from the coast that get fed all sorts of shit ranging from steroids to growth hormone and more and the damn president is safeguarding them from being tested, its the poor idiot coming in and doing a fair number that the doping officials go to, then there are others that squat close on World records that get made give every detail of their wherabouts to the doping officials as the person is not in the clique of the damn South Afican Presidents, Powerlifting in this country is all about who you know and not your knowledge of the sport as Idiots are chosen to mange teams at World Championships, where do we then stand, are we a fair sport? By no means we are. Back to my topic. Doping and more doping. Are we clean????? No we are not. Open your eyes Mark you are new at this game and you are the Pawn not the Kingpin, you are being used as no guys are available to run the sport and Fart against the Might ot the Presidency nor the Damn SHIT that goes on in the sport of POWERLIFTING IN SOUTH AFRICA
Side stepping my statements! Where's the dialogue? I think I put forward a constructive and relevant question. How much effort has the SAPF put into the establishment of a program of workshops in order to educate lifters on training/competing drug free?
I would think this is a valid question.
To answer your question directly, none. But, to be fair to our cash-strapped federation, I have not heard of any powerlifting federation in any country giving such workshops. Surely though, all lifters should be lifting drug free anyway, should know nothing of drug-assisted lifting and those who would need the workshops on "how to lift clean" are those who are accustomed to lifting "on juice"?
Go to the IPF website and see how many IC and OC drug tests were carried out in the USA last year, bearing in mind that the USA is the single largest member country in the IPF. Compare this to the number of tests carried out on all European countries. Why is there such a disproportionately low number of OC tests done in the USA? It's obvious isn't it? IC tests count for nothing in my book because anybody with half a brain can test clean on the day.
I have scores of training programmes written by the Russian, American and various East European national coaches for their top lifters and I cannot stick to a single one. The common denominator to all these programmes is a ridiculously short recovery interval between heavy workouts. Ridiculous if you're clean, achievable if you're on juice.
Sorry pal, but the sad truth of it is that the top coaches are certainly not giving instruction on how to lift clean. They expect synthetic assistance for their lifters, they design programmes on that basis and they do their damndest to keep the drug squad away from their lifters between competitions.
Now that's quite a bold statement to make and rather sticking one's neck out by putting it down in writing on the internet but all you have to do to realise that the vast majority of elite lifters are filthy is to coach somebody at World Champs and see the other lifters with their shirts off. You can see a user a mile off even if he would test clean on the day.
I put up a decent topic to debate and I get This Mark Idiots attitude, Mark go lift to become a better Powerlifter.
If You want a fight then I will put up a fight you will not be able to handle
That's good news Big Boy, but we all know that testicular atrophy is generally reversible once the use of anabolic streoids has been stopped. You're really going to battle with the gynecomastia before you can take your shirt off on Margate Beach again though.
Mr A Still no name? If you want to make allegations be specific.
I'm one of Rodneys boys and believe that you are seriously mistaken if you think we dope. Also I got three out of three at the SA bench press and lifted my best bench in competition to qualify for the world masters so your commenst about Rodney are unfounded (both the dopiing alegations and the bombing allegations). At Rodney's we often have conversation on how to stop doping in sport. I am not aware of any of Rodneys guys who are doping. It is a strict policy in the gym that we do not allow people who we know are doping to train.If you have something specific on Rodney then lets hear it.
That aside, I agree that the doping in powerlifting is problomatic as is the testing procedure. I was tested before last years Nationals in Durban a targeted test. I barely qualified, it did seem a bit much to target me for an out of competition test, since we get only so many tests targetd a year. There was no come back it shows that I was clean and continue to be clean.
Knowlege on a topic does not proove complicity. Drug free South Africa has knocwlege on the topic of drugs. In fact that Mark has knowlege is because he is a bright boy as are a number of the people who have trained with Rodney (Doctors, professors, engineers and the like), you can read just about any website e.g. T-Nation and find out stuff on the topic of drugs. Know your enemy? Apaprt form the bright boys you don't have to be that bright to read extensivley just literate? Does that make you complicit. I read the book Speed trap by Charlie Francis (Ben Johnsons coach) and watched a movie called bigger faster stronger: The side effects of livingin America. In both of these the topic of drugs in sport is discussed, does that imply that I take drugs or am interetsed in sport? No it means that I read extensivly on training topics and experiment with training methods. Having a coach like Rodney who has been around the block is a good thing as he may have had experience in similar training techniques before and can direct the ideas you read into concrete programmes.
Knowlege of training methods with out doping are intersting an dmany programmes have to be adapted especially Sheiko's programmes. Reading books like Supertraining by Mel Siff and other scientifc journals on training can lead one to much knowlwege of theory and practice. Recovery is the issue as well as selecting the correct weight to base the percenatges off. I have been usinga routine I found on the internet attributed to Prof Verkoshansky (father of plyometrics). When I using teh peaking programme which is six weeks long, I always use my current 1RM that I test. The programme requires two dasa week on the same lift. A shorter day that primes the body anda longer day which hits the peak for that week and then does volume back down ets. The percenatge of 1RM max start low andyou do bigger volume, increasing to week 4 with descending volume. Week one you are doing multiple sets of 6 and 5 week four sets of 3s and 2s week five is a back off week to allow recovery and week six is the retest 1RM day. Great protocol. Drug free you have to back off on other non selected lifts and trainthose in hold mode. As you age you also have to allow more recovery time an train much further form the limits to remain injury free. Rodney's favourite saying is "the best steroid is sleep" "the hours before midnight count double" etc. Rest and recovery and slightly undertrain the athletes. He often cuts workouts if people are flat. There are anumber of books on recovery techniques that are worth reading.
Nick you seem to be a bright lad. I am so proud of your acheivements. The day you lift nine out of nine and every lift is a new Gauteng record then I will acknowledge you as a lifter of class, the topic here is doping and I am happy to see that you see the Halo and Golden Wings on The Lebanese boy. I am telling you that Rodney is no Angel and so are the boys that he coaches no Angels. I am happy to see the Lebs and Greeks seem to support each other. Good for building a good Strong South African Nation but not good for South African Powerlifting, Do you want me to start naming the doping boys in my next letter???? Why not here and now. Henk, Ian, Mathew, Johan Smit, Alan Dingle, Ruhan want me to name more??? Keep up this topic and I will open a can of worms which no one of you will be able to close again. It will be like a baby coming into the world and not going back to the place it was formed, Care to tell you who sells dope, well go into the Powerlifting gyms in Fochville, Pretoria, Potchefstroom and Durban and you will buy anything which is illegal in the sports world. The doping list on the SAPF website speaks for itself....
Growth Hormone also speaks for itself NO TEST IN THE WORLD CAN DETECT IT AT THIS STAGE............Well Done guys Keep taking a go at me and I will keep going and give more facts as we go along.((((((You All Know I have Spilt The Beans Here))))))
I wonder if you ever gave thought to how far was going too far. You might have had a point, you might have been onto something but then you chose to get destructive, defamatory and unnecessarily personal and, so doing, lost any sympathy you might have had from your audience. You had our attention but you failed to do anything constructive with it. I invited you to speak to me and you used the opportunity to hurl five seconds of filth and hang up. Disappeared, like a rabbit down a hole. You have a soap-box here on the internet but you choose to use the platform as a nameless, faceless, nutless little jackal whining into the night from the edge of the forest, wishing he could be at the action but too scared to come out of the shadows. Sadly for you, there is nothing good that will come to you from your tirades; you have alienated yourself from just about everybody in powerlifting. If you believed that your approach could win you respect and support you are seriously deluded. Rather, you show all the characteristics of a sad loser, and nobody likes a loser. If I look back at the pieces you have written on this forum, I see nothing constructive, nothing worthy of respect, nothing anybody can use. I see nothing but sour grapes. I see somebody raging against anybody whom he might hit if he lashes out, ostensibly because he's a champion who might have been but really because he's got more loser DNA than winner DNA and his own balls just don't produce enough winner testosterone either. There are two of the men whom you "name and shame" that I know very well; well enough to bet my house that they are squeaky clean. Don't flatter yourself believing that you have opened a can of worms. Those are not beans you have spilled. Look carefully; all you have is a small bag of your own compost which nobody is interested in now that we know it’s compost you have. You have no credibility and I will not waste the time of day with anything you have to say. You may believe, deluded again, that you are John Rambo in a personal war against the injustices of those who head the SAPF but, quite frankly, I wouldn't trust you to be able to fight your way out from behind your mother's skirts let alone have a clue what to do if you did manage to. The best you could do under the circumstances is to slip shame-facedly into obscurity and perhaps get a job dipping sheep somewhere north of Beaufort West. Good riddance to you.
It was never meant to be constructive, nor was my call to you. I guess you must get your married life in order and stop stuffing around with the International powerlifting women.
I trust you will now vanish into obscurity as you are not such a hot lifter you just lift to make up the numbers and have a ride on the Federation, so whats different about you and the rest of the Hiearchy......
I originally started a topic and you offered your telephone number, if that was not asking for crap I dont know what was...Get on your Donkey and run this whole situation past the SAPF and Robert Wilks.. You seem to creep ass everywhere you touch down
I realise this whole topic and names and pac Drill means I am attempting to bring SAPF into disrepute. I could have told you that when I started this topic. So Big Boy Go and Have Me banned for Life or get the Federation to send all their croonies to come and Bliksem me... whatever you choose you are welcome.
I will bid you Farewell Asshole I am off to Dipping my sheep.
I understand supprisingly the topic at hand, even the Greeks can manage that. A list of recent drug bust is proof of what, that people are caught? If more are caught the better? Your accusations are curently that.
However you asked in your post how about telling people how to train without drugs, I was giving you some thoughts on that topic. That is what makes real conversation. So far we have heard not much other than name calling from your side, how do you suggest people dope free train in a way that makes them world class. That would help the conversation.
I never mentioned that I was a fantastic lifter, just that I have made good progress under the tutalege of Rodney, drug free as are those with whom I train.
EK WIL NET EEN DING SE, JY IS BAIE ONINGELIG OOR SAPF EN DOPTESTING. ONLANGS IS 'N SPESIALE VERGADERING GEHOU SAAM MET SAIDS EN AL DIE PROVINSIALE HOOFDE IN SA WAT OOK DEUR ALAN FURGESON DIE WADA VERTEENWOORDIGER IN SA BY GEWOON IS IN LONE HILL GAUTENG. ALMAL IS BEWUS GEMAAK DAT HULLE BINNE EN BUITE KOMP. GETOETS GAAN WORDY . DAAR IS SPESIALE DATUMS NEER GELE WANNEER KOMP. DATUMS SLUIT. SODAT SAIDS DIE MENSE KAN GAAN TOETS. AS JY DIT BESKOU AS NIKS DAN IS JY MAAR 'N LEEK. JY IS DAN MEER AS WELKOM OM BY DIE VOLGENDE VERGADERING IN TE SIT EN JOU INSETTE LEWER.
MEER AS DIT KAN BEAMPTES EN AFRIGTERS 'N ATLEET NIE 24/7 OPPAS OM TE SIEN WAT HY IN SY KEEL AF SKIET NIE. JOU ALLEGASIES WAT JY MAAK OOR ATLETE ONDER ANDERE MY KIND JOHAN SMITH, WAT STEROIDS GEBRUIK EN EK HOM WEG STEEK OP MY PLAAS WAAR HULLE HOM NIE AAN DIE HANDE KAN KRY NIE IS TWAK. EK BEDRYF 'N BESIGHEID OP MY PLAAS EN IS DIE PUBLIEK EN JY ENIGE TYD WELKOM EN JULLE SAL NIE SUKKEL OM IN TE KOM NIE. MY SEUN WOON IN POTCH EN IS SKOOL GAANDE BY VOLKSKOOL EN BLY IN DIE KOSHUIS WAT MEER IS HY IS EEN VAN 2 ATLETE IN SA WAT OP DIE ADAMS WHEREAOUTS SISTEEM IS, HY IS AL 2 KEER DIE JAAR GETOETS.
WAT MY AANGAAN IS JY NIE OP HOOGTE WAT AANGAAN IN SAPF EN DRUGTESTING NIE, EN DIT KLINK OF JY EERDER RAAD SOEK HOE OM DIE GOED TE GEBRUIK. DIT IS 'N DEMOKRATIESE LAND VRA EN JY SAL ANTWOORDE KRY. DIE AANNAMENS WAT JY MAAK DAT GEEN PERSOON SKOON KAN OEFEN EN NIE STERK WORD NIE. JY OEFEN VERKEERD EN DAAR IS GOED WAT JY IN 'N APTEEK VAN DIE RAK KAN KOOP WAT JOU KAN HELP MET DIE PROBLEEM. WAT MY BETREF OEFEN JY TOTAAL VERKEERD AS JY OEFEN. KONTAK MY ASB BY 0825663433 DAN KAN ONS DIE SAAK BESPREEK EN EK KAN JOU VOORSIEN VAN 'N OEFEN PROGRAM. GLO MY DIT WERK
VERDER WIL EK SE DIT WAT JY KWYT RAAK OOR GAUTENG LIFTERS DIE "lIBINEESE EN JODE"IS ONVANPAS HULLE IS VAN DIE MEES GERESPEKTEERDE LIFTERS IN SAPF.
HOOP OM VAN JOU TE HOOR
HANNIE
I guess it was better for you to run lessons in English language.
Please dont forget Andries Randal that has decided to rather bow out of the sport as he was not willing to run from the doping officials. I wanna remind you that Andries was like your son in some stage of your life. I bet you will deny giving him dope out of that bag you used to carry which was worth Mega Bucks in South African Monetary terms. Please show me one Fochville Lifter which has acheived Protea colors which does not use Dianabol, Methyl Test, Proprionate and all the other shit you give them which will clear within 21 days before a meet and I will eat my Frikken Balls for you in a public place???????????
DIS MY REG OM IN MY EIE TAAL TE ANTWOORD EN EK DINK JOU ENGELS IS MA NET SO KAK SOOS JOU BREIN. ANDRIES RANDAL IS AL LANKAL UIT POWERLIFTING UIT EN HY IS NIE MY SEUN NIE. EK DINK NIE DAAR IS ENIGE SUB JUNIOR IN DIE WERELD WAT MY SEUN SE GELYKE HET NIE. HOEKOM HET JY DAN TOT NOU GEWAG OM JOU MENING TE LIG, IS DIT DALK OMDAT JY TE KAK IS OM TE PRESTEER EN JALOERS IS OP ANDER LIFTERS.
WEES 'N MAN EN NIE 'N FOKKEN MUIS NIE, NOU SKUIL JY AGTER 'N E-MAIL. EK SE JOU NOU HIER JY HET NIE BALLAS OM TE EET NIE, JY IS 'N FOKKEN SLAP GAT WAT NIE EERS 'N RUG RAAT HET OM MY FACE TO FACE TE KONFRONTEER NIE. WAT MEER IS JOU TEGNOLOGIE IS AGTER DINABOL KAN TOT 60DAE NOU IN JOU PIE OPGESPOOR WORD.
ENJOY JOU BALLS FACELESS KONT.
Jou taal is van pas en dit straal jou persoonlik uit hier op n publieke forum.
Now this goes to show I have rattled you all and I have the Evidence on a Public forum.
I might have many enemies but one thing I can add. Give the SAPF back to Alan Ferguson as he deserves the right to be the President of South African Powerlifting, Make Andre Ludik the Vice President. Take all the rest of the damn Comittee and let them go back to their old Doping Organisation affiliated to the WPC if they wanna dope then let them compete against Andy Bolton and the rest of the Dopers in World Powerlifting. Leave the SAPF in the hands of compitent officials who are respected in the IPF Powerlifting world.......
For those members that dont know the history South Africa had two organisations and our present SAPF Hierarcy took over the SAPF in Coup fashion. Ask Alan Ferguson and he will back my statement up.The IPF have given Alan the Africa body and have kept him a International representative as they know what happened here. Go look at the history of the doping list on the SAPF website and it will speak for itself, the frikken old WPC boys have brought our sport into the doping era as we are in now.
JY IS REG DIT IS MY PERSOONLIKHEID TENMINSTE HET EK DIE BALLS OM JOU OP DIE FORUM AAN TE VAT ANDERS AS JY WAT NIE EENS JOU NAAM WIL BEKEND MAAK NIE. NEE, JY RATTLE MY GLAD NIE. EN SOOS JY AL GESE HET IN DIE VORIGE SKRYWES, DAT JY 'N "CAN OF WORMS"OOP GAAN MAAK. AL WAT JY OOP MAAK IS JOU VROT BREIN, EN DUIDELIK IS JY NIE OP HOOGTE OOR WAT SAPF EN SAIDS DOEN OMTRENT DOPING NIE. DIT IS HOEKOM JY NIE DAAROP KON KOMENTAAR LEWER NIE, JY WEET JY IS VERKEERD. KOM EK SE, DIE OUENS WAT NOU DEELNEEM IS DIE OUENS WAT SKOON IS, EN OUENS SOOS JY WAT OP DIE KANTLYN SIT EN KOMENTAAR LEWER DINK EK IS DIE OUENS WAT DOPE EN TE BANG IS OM IN TE SKRYF VIR 'N KOMPETISIE WANT JULLE WEET JULLE GAAN POSITIEF TOETS.
JY IS JOU GROOTSTE VYAND MY OU MAAT. JY HET SOPAS MEER VYANDE BY GEKRY MET JOU AANTUIGINGS. JY SE SAPF MOET TERUG GEGEE WORD AAN ALLAN, HY IS MEER AS WELKOM OM TE STAAN MET DIE VOLGENDE VERKIESING LAAT SY PROVINSIE HOM NET NOMINEER SO OOK ANDRE LUDIK.
NOG NUUS WPC BESTAAN NIE MEER NIE EN NIE EEN VAN ONS HET 'N BEGEERTE OM NA GLOBAL POWERLIFTING FEDERATION TERUG TE GAAN NIE. AS DAAR SOVEEL BEKWAME BEAMPTES IS HOEKOM KOM HULLE NIE NA VORE EN STEL HULLE BESKIKBAAR VIR DIE VOLGENDE VERKIESING NIE.
SKYNBAAR WEET JY NIE HOE DIE NUWE SAPF ONTSTAAN HET NIE KOM EK LIG JOU IN. IN 2002 HET DIE REGEERING EEN FEDERASIE AF GEDWING WAARVAN OOM SAREL AS PRES. VERKIES IS EN EK AS VISIE PRES. SO NIEMAND HET ENIGE IEMAND AANGESTEL OF VERKIES WAT NIE EENPARIG WAS NIE, DUIDELIK IS JY DAAROOR OOK ONINGELIG. ALLEN IS OP 'N AFRIKA KOMPITISIE AS PRES. VERKIES EN NIE DEUR DIE IPF NIE. EK WEET DUIDELIK WAT IN DIE IPF SE DOPING WEB AANGAAN EN JY IS TOTAAL VERKEERD WIE OU WPC LEDE IS EN WIE NIE.
EK GAAN NIE VERDER MY TYD MORS OM MET 'N BREINLOOSE SEL TE STRY NIE, WANT DUIDELIK WEET JY NIE WAT IN SAPF AAN GAAN NIE. JY IS NET 'N SUURGAT WAT NERENS KOM NIE, NOU PROBEER JY ALMAL AANVAT. KOM WOON DIE SA'S BY IN POTCH OP DIE 5,6 JUNIE 2009 EN SIEN HOE LIFTERS DEELNEEM WAT SKOON IS.
GROETE, VAN DIE HUIDIGE VISIE PRES. WAAR EK VIR NOG BAIE JARE SAL WEES EN JY NERENS NIE.
JY IS REG DIT IS MY PERSOONLIKHEID TENMINSTE HET EK DIE BALLS OM JOU OP DIE FORUM AAN TE VAT ANDERS AS JY WAT NIE EENS JOU NAAM WIL BEKEND MAAK NIE. NEE, JY RATTLE MY GLAD NIE. EN SOOS JY AL GESE HET IN DIE VORIGE SKRYWES, DAT JY 'N "CAN OF WORMS"OOP GAAN MAAK. AL WAT JY OOP MAAK IS JOU VROT BREIN, EN DUIDELIK IS JY NIE OP HOOGTE OOR WAT SAPF EN SAIDS DOEN OMTRENT DOPING NIE. DIT IS HOEKOM JY NIE DAAROP KON KOMENTAAR LEWER NIE, JY WEET JY IS VERKEERD. KOM EK SE, DIE OUENS WAT NOU DEELNEEM IS DIE OUENS WAT SKOON IS, EN OUENS SOOS JY WAT OP DIE KANTLYN SIT EN KOMENTAAR LEWER DINK EK IS DIE OUENS WAT DOPE EN TE BANG IS OM IN TE SKRYF VIR 'N KOMPETISIE WANT JULLE WEET JULLE GAAN POSITIEF TOETS.JY IS JOU GROOTSTE VYAND MY OU MAAT. JY HET SOPAS MEER VYANDE BY GEKRY MET JOU AANTUIGINGS. JY SE SAPF MOET TERUG GEGEE WORD AAN ALLAN, HY IS MEER AS WELKOM OM TE STAAN MET DIE VOLGENDE VERKIESING LAAT SY PROVINSIE HOM NET NOMINEER SO OOK ANDRE LUDIK.NOG NUUS WPC BESTAAN NIE MEER NIE EN NIE EEN VAN ONS HET 'N BEGEERTE OM NA GLOBAL POWERLIFTING FEDERATION TERUG TE GAAN NIE. AS DAAR SOVEEL BEKWAME BEAMPTES IS HOEKOM KOM HULLE NIE NA VORE EN STEL HULLE BESKIKBAAR VIR DIE VOLGENDE VERKIESING NIE.SKYNBAAR WEET JY NIE HOE DIE NUWE SAPF ONTSTAAN HET NIE KOM EK LIG JOU IN. IN 2002 HET DIE REGEERING EEN FEDERASIE AF GEDWING WAARVAN OOM SAREL AS PRES. VERKIES IS EN EK AS VISIE PRES. SO NIEMAND HET ENIGE IEMAND AANGESTEL OF VERKIES WAT NIE EENPARIG WAS NIE, DUIDELIK IS JY DAAROOR OOK ONINGELIG. ALLEN IS OP 'N AFRIKA KOMPITISIE AS PRES. VERKIES EN NIE DEUR DIE IPF NIE. EK WEET DUIDELIK WAT IN DIE IPF SE DOPING WEB AANGAAN EN JY IS TOTAAL VERKEERD WIE OU WPC LEDE IS EN WIE NIE.EK GAAN NIE VERDER MY TYD MORS OM MET 'N BREINLOOSE SEL TE STRY NIE, WANT DUIDELIK WEET JY NIE WAT IN SAPF AAN GAAN NIE. JY IS NET 'N SUURGAT WAT NERENS KOM NIE, NOU PROBEER JY ALMAL AANVAT. KOM WOON DIE SA'S BY IN POTCH OP DIE 5,6 JUNIE 2009 EN SIEN HOE LIFTERS DEELNEEM WAT SKOON IS.GROETE, VAN DIE HUIDIGE VISIE PRES. (JY IS MAAR NET N FO&&EN P()ES NET SOOS JOU GELIEFDE WOORD WAT JY GEREELD GEBRUIK)WAAR EK VIR NOG BAIE JARE SAL WEES EN JY NERENS NIE.
Dope
I don’t agree with the use of drugs in any sport but no matter what, there will always be people who are desperate enough to use drugs. It’s something I take very seriously, I feel cheated and I am offended every time a lifter gets busted, simply because I train my ass off. But really to go and accuse and insult, couches and lifters like that, it’s not a solution unless you’re two years old. You’re not “rattling any one’s cage”, you’re just pissing people off !!!
Rather make a suggestion to help the IPF with the problem e.g. (2 year affiliation periods with random drug testing and if a lifter gets caught he/she must pay a fine R20000 to R50000 depending on what they’ve used plus a 1 to 2 year ban, failure to pay the fine automatically gets the lifter banned for life or until that fine is paid. The IPF can then use the money as prize money or to reduce the cost for S.A. teams to compete overseas, Amen to that). I feel the IPF should make some money of these guys. If however you are going to make accusations, make sure you can prove it and make sure you mention you’re name so that you can actually be taken seriously.
Mr Anon
I have never lifted only been an administrator, I am now living in Wales, guess who I am?????
Dear anonymous
why have you left your name off the list of 'name in shame', and why do you need to have this list, it is on the web site.
To anonymous
Let me just say that Rodney has always been against drug use and especially so for his own lifters. Just think about it- why would he risk his guys getting busted? Would they still train with him? No. He would therefore lose his client and out of pocket. I don't see any of his guys on that list btw. And even if they were really good at getting away with drug use a least a few guys should have busted. Same goes for Andrew's guys. Also both his the brother's reps would be in the trash if his lifters were using and were busted. Perhaps if Rodney's guys do bomb out it is because they are trying to compete against other guys who are using and thus they become overly competitive. Accusing Rodeny is just plain BS!!! He is really a good hearted man who tries his best for his lifters.
i echo what marc said dan
i echo what marc said
dan
Marc must be some Frenchman
Marc must be some Frenchman you are confusing me with.
Anonymous, if you had balls
Anonymous, if you had balls you would leave your name and not hide behind anonymity. Be that as it may, I will do my utmost to get Gauteng's house in order, with you help. Phone me anonymously and in confidence on 082-579-6776 and give me information which I can act on.
MY ANSWER TO YOU
Why must I phone an idiot who in himself cannot put up a decent argument on my topic. Is it because you are a Doper Yourself???????
Drugs
Typical! What is the issue here? balls or drugs? I agree with anonymous, almost all the big wig officials in SAPF are former steroid users/dealers themselves. Nowadays they are ridiculling lifters who test positive, its a joke. What programmes have been put in place to educate lifters on lifting drug free?
Ranting and raving on the
Ranting and raving on the website might serve to let off a little steam but it's not going to achieve anything constructive. Come out of hiding and call me.
I DID CALL YOU
WHo the hell Is Mark in Any case???
MARK WHO?????
I doubt if Mark ever acheived anything, Is Mark one of the Idiots That Pays Rodney Thousands of Rands to Bomb at a Comp like the rest of the Gauteng Dopers
Yes, you did call,
Yes, you did call, anonymously (nothing wrong with that), hurled abuse and hung up. That's not quite the conversation I had in mind when I asked you to call me because we achieved nothing. Please try again. I really don't mind being a sounding board for your frustrations as long as we can get somewhere. No, I have never doped in my life, have never even been tempted to. I am over 40 and battle with injury and slow recovery, work stress and disturbed sleep. I am a prime candidate for a little synthetic help but it's out of the question; I am not interested. I am quite willing, as I have even said to Robert Wilks at World Bench Champs when I confronted him for targetting South Africans, to submit myself for urine and blood tests to prove that I am clean and to publish these publically, provided that he he publishes his apology in the same public forum. Robert declined but I will see him at World Games in Taipei later this year and we will have a chat. Picking up on your thread of running training courses on the amazing new concept of drug-free lifting (sort of an "Anabolics Anonymous" or the Betty Ford Powerlifting Clinic for reformed addicts), this is exactly the sort of constructive and proactive development which the IPF so badly wants to see RSA implementing locally. Robert would be thrilled and I would be proud to be the bearer of such news, provided that Alan and Neville don't beat me to it. Call me again and let's try to keep it clean (no pun intended).
Well Mark if it took a call
Well Mark if it took a call and a lot of abusive language to get you to reply on this topic then my abusive call did bring the topic back to this website. I choose to remain anonomous and I do have many facts in order, I am a Gauteng Powerlifter and have been around the block and I have walked gravel roads barefoot on many occasions, i have my facts in order and all my ducks in a row, unfortunately I am willing to spill the beans in the open as this site allows an open forum, I unfortunately or fortunately know several guys out there who have entered this sport with one thing in mind and that is to make it to the highest level and they are tricked into beleiving they can do it clean but I wanna see which 18 year old boy can squat a 335 clean but unfortunately i know the true story, a dad is hiding his son on a farm and the doping officials will not get to him even if they tried because the boy is so damn well hid away, then there is the guys from the coast that get fed all sorts of shit ranging from steroids to growth hormone and more and the damn president is safeguarding them from being tested, its the poor idiot coming in and doing a fair number that the doping officials go to, then there are others that squat close on World records that get made give every detail of their wherabouts to the doping officials as the person is not in the clique of the damn South Afican Presidents, Powerlifting in this country is all about who you know and not your knowledge of the sport as Idiots are chosen to mange teams at World Championships, where do we then stand, are we a fair sport? By no means we are. Back to my topic. Doping and more doping. Are we clean????? No we are not. Open your eyes Mark you are new at this game and you are the Pawn not the Kingpin, you are being used as no guys are available to run the sport and Fart against the Might ot the Presidency nor the Damn SHIT that goes on in the sport of POWERLIFTING IN SOUTH AFRICA
Yours Faithfully
Mr Anonomous
Don't be disheartened. Change
Don't be disheartened. Change is on the wind.
Drugs
Side stepping my statements! Where's the dialogue? I think I put forward a constructive and relevant question. How much effort has the SAPF put into the establishment of a program of workshops in order to educate lifters on training/competing drug free?
I would think this is a valid question.
To answer your question
To answer your question directly, none. But, to be fair to our cash-strapped federation, I have not heard of any powerlifting federation in any country giving such workshops. Surely though, all lifters should be lifting drug free anyway, should know nothing of drug-assisted lifting and those who would need the workshops on "how to lift clean" are those who are accustomed to lifting "on juice"?
Go to the IPF website and see how many IC and OC drug tests were carried out in the USA last year, bearing in mind that the USA is the single largest member country in the IPF. Compare this to the number of tests carried out on all European countries. Why is there such a disproportionately low number of OC tests done in the USA? It's obvious isn't it? IC tests count for nothing in my book because anybody with half a brain can test clean on the day.
I have scores of training programmes written by the Russian, American and various East European national coaches for their top lifters and I cannot stick to a single one. The common denominator to all these programmes is a ridiculously short recovery interval between heavy workouts. Ridiculous if you're clean, achievable if you're on juice.
Sorry pal, but the sad truth of it is that the top coaches are certainly not giving instruction on how to lift clean. They expect synthetic assistance for their lifters, they design programmes on that basis and they do their damndest to keep the drug squad away from their lifters between competitions.
Now that's quite a bold statement to make and rather sticking one's neck out by putting it down in writing on the internet but all you have to do to realise that the vast majority of elite lifters are filthy is to coach somebody at World Champs and see the other lifters with their shirts off. You can see a user a mile off even if he would test clean on the day.
Thank You Mark
What more can I add to your reply
Now you have said what you should have when I started this topic
Mr A
Balls
Balls, I got damn big balls. Thankyou
THIS TOPIC
I put up a decent topic to debate and I get This Mark Idiots attitude, Mark go lift to become a better Powerlifter.
If You want a fight then I will put up a fight you will not be able to handle
That's good news Big Boy, but
That's good news Big Boy, but we all know that testicular atrophy is generally reversible once the use of anabolic streoids has been stopped. You're really going to battle with the gynecomastia before you can take your shirt off on Margate Beach again though.
Knowledge
You have far too much Knowledge to not have ever doped
I guess all Rodneys Boys are the same
Drugs and Rodney
Mr A Still no name? If you want to make allegations be specific.
I'm one of Rodneys boys and believe that you are seriously mistaken if you think we dope. Also I got three out of three at the SA bench press and lifted my best bench in competition to qualify for the world masters so your commenst about Rodney are unfounded (both the dopiing alegations and the bombing allegations). At Rodney's we often have conversation on how to stop doping in sport. I am not aware of any of Rodneys guys who are doping. It is a strict policy in the gym that we do not allow people who we know are doping to train.If you have something specific on Rodney then lets hear it.
That aside, I agree that the doping in powerlifting is problomatic as is the testing procedure. I was tested before last years Nationals in Durban a targeted test. I barely qualified, it did seem a bit much to target me for an out of competition test, since we get only so many tests targetd a year. There was no come back it shows that I was clean and continue to be clean.
Knowlege on a topic does not proove complicity. Drug free South Africa has knocwlege on the topic of drugs. In fact that Mark has knowlege is because he is a bright boy as are a number of the people who have trained with Rodney (Doctors, professors, engineers and the like), you can read just about any website e.g. T-Nation and find out stuff on the topic of drugs. Know your enemy? Apaprt form the bright boys you don't have to be that bright to read extensivley just literate? Does that make you complicit. I read the book Speed trap by Charlie Francis (Ben Johnsons coach) and watched a movie called bigger faster stronger: The side effects of livingin America. In both of these the topic of drugs in sport is discussed, does that imply that I take drugs or am interetsed in sport? No it means that I read extensivly on training topics and experiment with training methods. Having a coach like Rodney who has been around the block is a good thing as he may have had experience in similar training techniques before and can direct the ideas you read into concrete programmes.
Knowlege of training methods with out doping are intersting an dmany programmes have to be adapted especially Sheiko's programmes. Reading books like Supertraining by Mel Siff and other scientifc journals on training can lead one to much knowlwege of theory and practice. Recovery is the issue as well as selecting the correct weight to base the percenatges off. I have been usinga routine I found on the internet attributed to Prof Verkoshansky (father of plyometrics). When I using teh peaking programme which is six weeks long, I always use my current 1RM that I test. The programme requires two dasa week on the same lift. A shorter day that primes the body anda longer day which hits the peak for that week and then does volume back down ets. The percenatge of 1RM max start low andyou do bigger volume, increasing to week 4 with descending volume. Week one you are doing multiple sets of 6 and 5 week four sets of 3s and 2s week five is a back off week to allow recovery and week six is the retest 1RM day. Great protocol. Drug free you have to back off on other non selected lifts and trainthose in hold mode. As you age you also have to allow more recovery time an train much further form the limits to remain injury free. Rodney's favourite saying is "the best steroid is sleep" "the hours before midnight count double" etc. Rest and recovery and slightly undertrain the athletes. He often cuts workouts if people are flat. There are anumber of books on recovery techniques that are worth reading.
Behind Every
Nick you seem to be a bright lad. I am so proud of your acheivements. The day you lift nine out of nine and every lift is a new Gauteng record then I will acknowledge you as a lifter of class, the topic here is doping and I am happy to see that you see the Halo and Golden Wings on The Lebanese boy. I am telling you that Rodney is no Angel and so are the boys that he coaches no Angels. I am happy to see the Lebs and Greeks seem to support each other. Good for building a good Strong South African Nation but not good for South African Powerlifting, Do you want me to start naming the doping boys in my next letter???? Why not here and now. Henk, Ian, Mathew, Johan Smit, Alan Dingle, Ruhan want me to name more??? Keep up this topic and I will open a can of worms which no one of you will be able to close again. It will be like a baby coming into the world and not going back to the place it was formed, Care to tell you who sells dope, well go into the Powerlifting gyms in Fochville, Pretoria, Potchefstroom and Durban and you will buy anything which is illegal in the sports world. The doping list on the SAPF website speaks for itself....
Growth Hormone also speaks for itself NO TEST IN THE WORLD CAN DETECT IT AT THIS STAGE............Well Done guys Keep taking a go at me and I will keep going and give more facts as we go along.((((((You All Know I have Spilt The Beans Here))))))
Good riddance Mr A
I wonder if you ever gave thought to how far was going too far. You might have had a point, you might have been onto something but then you chose to get destructive, defamatory and unnecessarily personal and, so doing, lost any sympathy you might have had from your audience. You had our attention but you failed to do anything constructive with it. I invited you to speak to me and you used the opportunity to hurl five seconds of filth and hang up. Disappeared, like a rabbit down a hole. You have a soap-box here on the internet but you choose to use the platform as a nameless, faceless, nutless little jackal whining into the night from the edge of the forest, wishing he could be at the action but too scared to come out of the shadows. Sadly for you, there is nothing good that will come to you from your tirades; you have alienated yourself from just about everybody in powerlifting. If you believed that your approach could win you respect and support you are seriously deluded. Rather, you show all the characteristics of a sad loser, and nobody likes a loser. If I look back at the pieces you have written on this forum, I see nothing constructive, nothing worthy of respect, nothing anybody can use. I see nothing but sour grapes. I see somebody raging against anybody whom he might hit if he lashes out, ostensibly because he's a champion who might have been but really because he's got more loser DNA than winner DNA and his own balls just don't produce enough winner testosterone either. There are two of the men whom you "name and shame" that I know very well; well enough to bet my house that they are squeaky clean. Don't flatter yourself believing that you have opened a can of worms. Those are not beans you have spilled. Look carefully; all you have is a small bag of your own compost which nobody is interested in now that we know it’s compost you have. You have no credibility and I will not waste the time of day with anything you have to say. You may believe, deluded again, that you are John Rambo in a personal war against the injustices of those who head the SAPF but, quite frankly, I wouldn't trust you to be able to fight your way out from behind your mother's skirts let alone have a clue what to do if you did manage to. The best you could do under the circumstances is to slip shame-facedly into obscurity and perhaps get a job dipping sheep somewhere north of Beaufort West. Good riddance to you.
It was never meant to be
It was never meant to be constructive, nor was my call to you. I guess you must get your married life in order and stop stuffing around with the International powerlifting women.
I trust you will now vanish into obscurity as you are not such a hot lifter you just lift to make up the numbers and have a ride on the Federation, so whats different about you and the rest of the Hiearchy......
I originally started a topic and you offered your telephone number, if that was not asking for crap I dont know what was...Get on your Donkey and run this whole situation past the SAPF and Robert Wilks.. You seem to creep ass everywhere you touch down
I realise this whole topic and names and pac Drill means I am attempting to bring SAPF into disrepute. I could have told you that when I started this topic. So Big Boy Go and Have Me banned for Life or get the Federation to send all their croonies to come and Bliksem me... whatever you choose you are welcome.
I will bid you Farewell Asshole I am off to Dipping my sheep.
25/03/2005 Alan
25/03/2005
Alan Bester
X
Nandrolone
25/03/2007
28/05/2005
Wietz Steyn
X
Testosterone
29/05/2007
06/08/2005
Richard Coetzee
X
Nandrolone
07/08/2007
13/05/2006
Peter Erasmus
X
Methyltestosterone
14/05/2008
24/06/2006
Louis Joubert
X
Stanozolol
25/06/2008
09/09/2006
Chris Dranias
Methandienone
LIFE BAN
02/06/2007
Charl Muller
X
Testosterone
03/06/2009
05/09/2007
Jaco de Waal
X
Methandienone
06/09/2009
04/08/2007
Graham Gardener
X
Diuretics
05/08/2009
10/11/2007
Peter Bendade
X
Nandrolone
11/11/2009
Mathandienone
αClenbuterol
08/12/2007
Eddie Bitek
X
Stanozolol
8/12/2009
08/12/2007
Grant Ashe
X
Testosterone
08/12/2009
17/03/2008
Peter Swanepoel
X
Diuretic
17/03/2010
02/06/2008
Matlaka Piet Seleka
X
Nandrolone
02/06/2010
14/06/2008
Hendrik Burger
X
Diuretic
14/06/2010
13/08/2008
Deon Smit
X
Diuretic
13/08/2010
14/09/2008
Derek Allen
X
Testosterone
14/09/2010
Dope
I understand supprisingly the topic at hand, even the Greeks can manage that. A list of recent drug bust is proof of what, that people are caught? If more are caught the better? Your accusations are curently that.
However you asked in your post how about telling people how to train without drugs, I was giving you some thoughts on that topic. That is what makes real conversation. So far we have heard not much other than name calling from your side, how do you suggest people dope free train in a way that makes them world class. That would help the conversation.
I never mentioned that I was a fantastic lifter, just that I have made good progress under the tutalege of Rodney, drug free as are those with whom I train.
DOPE
EK WIL NET EEN DING SE, JY IS BAIE ONINGELIG OOR SAPF EN DOPTESTING. ONLANGS IS 'N SPESIALE VERGADERING GEHOU SAAM MET SAIDS EN AL DIE PROVINSIALE HOOFDE IN SA WAT OOK DEUR ALAN FURGESON DIE WADA VERTEENWOORDIGER IN SA BY GEWOON IS IN LONE HILL GAUTENG. ALMAL IS BEWUS GEMAAK DAT HULLE BINNE EN BUITE KOMP. GETOETS GAAN WORDY . DAAR IS SPESIALE DATUMS NEER GELE WANNEER KOMP. DATUMS SLUIT. SODAT SAIDS DIE MENSE KAN GAAN TOETS. AS JY DIT BESKOU AS NIKS DAN IS JY MAAR 'N LEEK. JY IS DAN MEER AS WELKOM OM BY DIE VOLGENDE VERGADERING IN TE SIT EN JOU INSETTE LEWER.
MEER AS DIT KAN BEAMPTES EN AFRIGTERS 'N ATLEET NIE 24/7 OPPAS OM TE SIEN WAT HY IN SY KEEL AF SKIET NIE. JOU ALLEGASIES WAT JY MAAK OOR ATLETE ONDER ANDERE MY KIND JOHAN SMITH, WAT STEROIDS GEBRUIK EN EK HOM WEG STEEK OP MY PLAAS WAAR HULLE HOM NIE AAN DIE HANDE KAN KRY NIE IS TWAK. EK BEDRYF 'N BESIGHEID OP MY PLAAS EN IS DIE PUBLIEK EN JY ENIGE TYD WELKOM EN JULLE SAL NIE SUKKEL OM IN TE KOM NIE. MY SEUN WOON IN POTCH EN IS SKOOL GAANDE BY VOLKSKOOL EN BLY IN DIE KOSHUIS WAT MEER IS HY IS EEN VAN 2 ATLETE IN SA WAT OP DIE ADAMS WHEREAOUTS SISTEEM IS, HY IS AL 2 KEER DIE JAAR GETOETS.
WAT MY AANGAAN IS JY NIE OP HOOGTE WAT AANGAAN IN SAPF EN DRUGTESTING NIE, EN DIT KLINK OF JY EERDER RAAD SOEK HOE OM DIE GOED TE GEBRUIK. DIT IS 'N DEMOKRATIESE LAND VRA EN JY SAL ANTWOORDE KRY. DIE AANNAMENS WAT JY MAAK DAT GEEN PERSOON SKOON KAN OEFEN EN NIE STERK WORD NIE. JY OEFEN VERKEERD EN DAAR IS GOED WAT JY IN 'N APTEEK VAN DIE RAK KAN KOOP WAT JOU KAN HELP MET DIE PROBLEEM. WAT MY BETREF OEFEN JY TOTAAL VERKEERD AS JY OEFEN. KONTAK MY ASB BY 0825663433 DAN KAN ONS DIE SAAK BESPREEK EN EK KAN JOU VOORSIEN VAN 'N OEFEN PROGRAM. GLO MY DIT WERK
VERDER WIL EK SE DIT WAT JY KWYT RAAK OOR GAUTENG LIFTERS DIE "lIBINEESE EN JODE"IS ONVANPAS HULLE IS VAN DIE MEES GERESPEKTEERDE LIFTERS IN SAPF.
HOOP OM VAN JOU TE HOOR
HANNIE
Dope
Hannie, Hannie Hannie!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess it was better for you to run lessons in English language.
Please dont forget Andries Randal that has decided to rather bow out of the sport as he was not willing to run from the doping officials. I wanna remind you that Andries was like your son in some stage of your life. I bet you will deny giving him dope out of that bag you used to carry which was worth Mega Bucks in South African Monetary terms. Please show me one Fochville Lifter which has acheived Protea colors which does not use Dianabol, Methyl Test, Proprionate and all the other shit you give them which will clear within 21 days before a meet and I will eat my Frikken Balls for you in a public place???????????
dope
DIS MY REG OM IN MY EIE TAAL TE ANTWOORD EN EK DINK JOU ENGELS IS MA NET SO KAK SOOS JOU BREIN. ANDRIES RANDAL IS AL LANKAL UIT POWERLIFTING UIT EN HY IS NIE MY SEUN NIE. EK DINK NIE DAAR IS ENIGE SUB JUNIOR IN DIE WERELD WAT MY SEUN SE GELYKE HET NIE. HOEKOM HET JY DAN TOT NOU GEWAG OM JOU MENING TE LIG, IS DIT DALK OMDAT JY TE KAK IS OM TE PRESTEER EN JALOERS IS OP ANDER LIFTERS.
WEES 'N MAN EN NIE 'N FOKKEN MUIS NIE, NOU SKUIL JY AGTER 'N E-MAIL. EK SE JOU NOU HIER JY HET NIE BALLAS OM TE EET NIE, JY IS 'N FOKKEN SLAP GAT WAT NIE EERS 'N RUG RAAT HET OM MY FACE TO FACE TE KONFRONTEER NIE. WAT MEER IS JOU TEGNOLOGIE IS AGTER DINABOL KAN TOT 60DAE NOU IN JOU PIE OPGESPOOR WORD.
ENJOY JOU BALLS FACELESS KONT.
Dankie Hannie
Jou taal is van pas en dit straal jou persoonlik uit hier op n publieke forum.
Now this goes to show I have rattled you all and I have the Evidence on a Public forum.
I might have many enemies but one thing I can add. Give the SAPF back to Alan Ferguson as he deserves the right to be the President of South African Powerlifting, Make Andre Ludik the Vice President. Take all the rest of the damn Comittee and let them go back to their old Doping Organisation affiliated to the WPC if they wanna dope then let them compete against Andy Bolton and the rest of the Dopers in World Powerlifting. Leave the SAPF in the hands of compitent officials who are respected in the IPF Powerlifting world.......
For those members that dont know the history South Africa had two organisations and our present SAPF Hierarcy took over the SAPF in Coup fashion. Ask Alan Ferguson and he will back my statement up.The IPF have given Alan the Africa body and have kept him a International representative as they know what happened here. Go look at the history of the doping list on the SAPF website and it will speak for itself, the frikken old WPC boys have brought our sport into the doping era as we are in now.
TO ANONYMOUS
JY IS REG DIT IS MY PERSOONLIKHEID TENMINSTE HET EK DIE BALLS OM JOU OP DIE FORUM AAN TE VAT ANDERS AS JY WAT NIE EENS JOU NAAM WIL BEKEND MAAK NIE. NEE, JY RATTLE MY GLAD NIE. EN SOOS JY AL GESE HET IN DIE VORIGE SKRYWES, DAT JY 'N "CAN OF WORMS"OOP GAAN MAAK. AL WAT JY OOP MAAK IS JOU VROT BREIN, EN DUIDELIK IS JY NIE OP HOOGTE OOR WAT SAPF EN SAIDS DOEN OMTRENT DOPING NIE. DIT IS HOEKOM JY NIE DAAROP KON KOMENTAAR LEWER NIE, JY WEET JY IS VERKEERD. KOM EK SE, DIE OUENS WAT NOU DEELNEEM IS DIE OUENS WAT SKOON IS, EN OUENS SOOS JY WAT OP DIE KANTLYN SIT EN KOMENTAAR LEWER DINK EK IS DIE OUENS WAT DOPE EN TE BANG IS OM IN TE SKRYF VIR 'N KOMPETISIE WANT JULLE WEET JULLE GAAN POSITIEF TOETS.
JY IS JOU GROOTSTE VYAND MY OU MAAT. JY HET SOPAS MEER VYANDE BY GEKRY MET JOU AANTUIGINGS. JY SE SAPF MOET TERUG GEGEE WORD AAN ALLAN, HY IS MEER AS WELKOM OM TE STAAN MET DIE VOLGENDE VERKIESING LAAT SY PROVINSIE HOM NET NOMINEER SO OOK ANDRE LUDIK.
NOG NUUS WPC BESTAAN NIE MEER NIE EN NIE EEN VAN ONS HET 'N BEGEERTE OM NA GLOBAL POWERLIFTING FEDERATION TERUG TE GAAN NIE. AS DAAR SOVEEL BEKWAME BEAMPTES IS HOEKOM KOM HULLE NIE NA VORE EN STEL HULLE BESKIKBAAR VIR DIE VOLGENDE VERKIESING NIE.
SKYNBAAR WEET JY NIE HOE DIE NUWE SAPF ONTSTAAN HET NIE KOM EK LIG JOU IN. IN 2002 HET DIE REGEERING EEN FEDERASIE AF GEDWING WAARVAN OOM SAREL AS PRES. VERKIES IS EN EK AS VISIE PRES. SO NIEMAND HET ENIGE IEMAND AANGESTEL OF VERKIES WAT NIE EENPARIG WAS NIE, DUIDELIK IS JY DAAROOR OOK ONINGELIG. ALLEN IS OP 'N AFRIKA KOMPITISIE AS PRES. VERKIES EN NIE DEUR DIE IPF NIE. EK WEET DUIDELIK WAT IN DIE IPF SE DOPING WEB AANGAAN EN JY IS TOTAAL VERKEERD WIE OU WPC LEDE IS EN WIE NIE.
EK GAAN NIE VERDER MY TYD MORS OM MET 'N BREINLOOSE SEL TE STRY NIE, WANT DUIDELIK WEET JY NIE WAT IN SAPF AAN GAAN NIE. JY IS NET 'N SUURGAT WAT NERENS KOM NIE, NOU PROBEER JY ALMAL AANVAT. KOM WOON DIE SA'S BY IN POTCH OP DIE 5,6 JUNIE 2009 EN SIEN HOE LIFTERS DEELNEEM WAT SKOON IS.
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